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Subject:Fucking Republicans
Time:01:36 pm
In his step-down speech today, Romney said that letting Hillary or Obama win would be aiding a surrender to terror. And one of his supporters called his speech leaving with a lot of grace.

This kind of bullshit rhetoric should have no place in American politics.
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gerardp
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Time:2008-02-07 09:41 pm (UTC)
I guess Mitt's saying that if he would continue running for president, the terrorists would win?
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grey_evil_twin
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Time:2008-02-07 10:48 pm (UTC)
I watched a Dave Chapelle stand up routine the other week where he mused on becoming the first black president of the USA. He decided that in order to live through his term without being shot, his Vice President would be Mexican.
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tom_bayes
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Time:2008-02-08 01:35 am (UTC)
I actually listed to Mitty's speech on the POTUS channel on XM radio. He is just the most unselfish patriotic guy who won't put his wants ahead of the country's well-being; just ask him. I'm sure it has nothing to do with flushing away ridiculous gobs of his own money.
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bbkahuna
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Time:2008-02-08 08:36 am (UTC)
What really surprised me is that Hillary out performed Barack 2-1 among gay Californians.

You'd think they'd know better after all those false promises, and considering Obama is the only one to even mention gay people on an equal basis and gay civil rights without promoting by some focus group question.
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tigerknight
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Time:2008-02-08 03:01 pm (UTC)
Grace my ass. The whole 'if X happens, the terrorists win' is such a childish line of crap it's disgraceful to try and influence an election by using it.

As a matter of fact, the terrorists have ALREADY won. They won a LONG time ago with 'terror alert levels', secret wire taps, and all manner of other things that were done 'for national protection'. Tell me though - what exactly have we become protected from? What I see is a lot of smoke/mirrors/puppet shows and not a damn ounce of genuine protection. Bleh [/rant]
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spotboy
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Time:2008-02-08 07:21 pm (UTC)
what do you propose for protection? how would you do it?
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tigerknight
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Time:2008-02-08 07:42 pm (UTC)
I don't claim to be an expert on the topic of 'how to stop people from putting bombs in trucks in parking lots of buildings', but my opinion on the topic is that we're doing ourselves a HUGE disservice by trying to rule the world through 'police actions' via the UN.

I'm a big supporter of leading by example and the Bush administration's door to door bible thumping 'we'll show you how it's done right' is doing nothing but shaking up a hornet's nest of people who hate the US for how meddlesome we are.

How many billions have we thrown at a military action that is on shakey ground over false pretenses and other political melodrama? Billions that would have served much better purpose going into schools, infrastructure, and other domestic needs than trying to ramrod democracy and 'equality' down the throats of a region that has been at war with itself for the better part of two millenia?

It's pretty damn prideful and audacious for ANYONE to think that in the space of a decade they are going to undo all of the cultural structure and prejudice that is what makes up the middle east. Despite all the strife and stuff western culture was slowly seeping in to start with (gradually, as I feel it should be) and starting to make changes that way as information itself became more wide spread.

Do I believe that there are better ways than how they were doing it with dictator after dictator? Yes.

Do I feel that the US can be a 'world leader' as far as economy, democracy, and other factors? Yes.

Do I think for one minute that we have to take a hammer to the head of everyone around the world to PROVE it? Hell fucking no.

It may have come from a comic book but it's very very true: with great power comes great responsibility. And the US government has been anything BUT responsible with that power.

So to get back to your original question, which has a feeling to it of trying to call me on the carpet to get an answer which will likely get torn to shreds for all sorts of nitpicky details: I don't know how I would do it, not in any great detail other than to say 'get our fingers out of everyone else's pie and just work on making our own pie something to be (more) proud of.'
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spotboy
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Time:2008-02-08 10:16 pm (UTC)
ok, I am glad I asked. I don't have any great answers either, certainly. I am wary of certainty on issues this complex. I think your point about democracy or western culture or whatever seeping in is an interesting point. I guess the comment that made me curious to start was that all you saw was a "lot of smoke/mirrors/puppet shows and not a damn ounce of genuine protection." I don't know what genuine protection would look like, or that it would be worth the price in freedom or in dollars. I'll try not to be nit-picky, but what would genuine protection look like? (and I know it isn't random searches of people boarding subways that they can refuse and try again later, and all that sort of stupidity.)
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tigerknight
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Time:2008-02-08 10:51 pm (UTC)
The comment you quote comes out of bitterness at the 'war on terror' where for a while when Bush's ratings/approval were dropping they'd release tidbits of information to try and stem critical attitudes, or divert attention from other unfavorable stories and actions.

As for genuine protection, it's really more perception than action. As a culture we drive ourselves pretty hard and at the same time could give a shit about what it is we're doing. My idea of 'protection' would be investing time/energy/money back into ourselves and improving the 'american way of life' rather than leaning hard on other countries and making them sour to us.

You're always going to have people who want to blow up other people to make their point, but by behaving the way we are we're only inviting more hatred to our way. I see 'genuine protection' as good will (or lack of bad will): who's going to waste the time and effort to come blow up a building when they have people they hate much more instead? And in the mean time we can go about our lives in contentment.

How the hell to get there from here in detail? No clue.. but in general 'go that way' directions? yeah I've got an idea and the first step is to pull the hell out of iraq and let them do what they want to do, even if we don't like it, so long as it doesn't harm us (and I don't mean driving up oil costs). Because /THAT/ is the American Way.
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spotboy
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Time:2008-02-11 06:28 pm (UTC)
fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.
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gunga_galunga
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Time:2008-02-11 12:11 am (UTC)
Not surprising, considering that fear of a terrorist attack is about all the Republicans have to hold on to any more. Now, the possibility that their policies could incite such attacks, well, that's just treasonous talk.
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