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Subject:My comment on the Palin thing
Time:12:13 am
What sort of cruel mother would accept the VP nomination in that position? Your daughter made a mistake, and you could have been loving and supportive. Instead, you did the one thing that absolutely guarantees the whole world will know that your daughter fucked up.
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melebeth
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Time:2008-09-02 12:16 pm (UTC)
The question is "does she actually want a baby" or does she not have any choice about saying she wants it. Given that her mother is anti-comprehensive sex ed (as is, I assume, the Alaska school system), and therefore that she was unlikely to learn much about contraception, and pro-choice... it's hard to say whether she wants the child or is doing what she feels she has to. I've been writing about this a lot for work and I'm trying to avoid saying she's "made a mistake" or "fucked up," but I do question whether, other than deciding to have sex, she's had much in the way of choices here.
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johnpalmer
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Time:2008-09-12 12:09 am (UTC)
My understanding is that the Alaska schools have comprehensive sex ed, and that Palin is okay with that.

True? False? I don't know for sure, and it'd be hard to find out now. But I have seen support of those claims.
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greeklady
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Time:2008-09-02 06:52 pm (UTC)
The issue is that Republican is known for a conservative religious right type people. A unmarried pregnant teen is a serious scandal for someone coming from that background. (yes I am generalizing here).
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mav600
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Time:2008-09-02 11:07 am (UTC)
I agree with rib. Why should the mother ruin her life because the daughter screwed up?

This is one of the many reasons I will not be having kids.
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schmengie
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Time:2008-09-02 11:27 am (UTC)
I dont understand why she would be considered cruel here. I am sure she wishes her daughter wasnt pregnant, but why should she change her life because of that?
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whipartist
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Time:2008-09-03 06:12 am (UTC)
You have never been a terrified teenage girl who finds out that she's pregnant. Imagine for a while what it would feel like to be that girl, really think about it. You'd probably be frightened of the future and how your life is going to change, sad for the opportunities you will miss, and deeply embarrassed because you think the whole world will know about your mistake.

Let's add a layer. Imagine that your mother, the person you probably rely on most in your life, does the one thing that guarantees that the whole world WILL know about your mistake.

"Thanks mom! Love you for it!"
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jcdill
Subject:Palin - not qualified to lead.
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Time:2008-09-02 12:51 pm (UTC)
There are 2 issues for me here:

1) She accepted the VEEP nomination, knowing the news media would make life hell for her unmarried 17 year old 5-months-pregnant daughter. Obama might proclaim that "families are off-limits" but the news media doesn't care - they smell a big story here and will not let off the trail.

2) She's not qualified to be POTUS if she can't even make sure her own daughter has appropriate sex education and is appropriately protected from unwanted pregnancy. If she can't lead her own family, and properly equip them for life's difficult situations, she sure can't lead the country. What stupid religious-based decisions would she make as POTUS, send soldiers into war with no ammo and tell them to "turn the other cheek"?
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pdx_girl
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Time:2008-09-02 07:28 pm (UTC)
I find it appalling. Not only the pregnant teenager who needs her mother, but also the 4 month old baby with Down's who needs his mother (regardless of who the mother of that child is, although statistically more likely to be Sarah Palin despite rumors).

As much as the abstinence only "education" factor is an irritant, I seriously doubt that a 17 year old doesn't know how babies get made and how to prevent them from getting made, even if her parents are conservative, anti-abortion whack jobs. I think teenagers deserve more credit than what we give them. Just because they lack appropriate sex ed doesn't mean they don't know what's going on. More frightening to me is that they are getting MARRIED. Ugh.
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whipartist
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Time:2008-09-03 06:18 am (UTC)
Sure, she probably knows where babies come from. She may not have enough evidence (in the form of facts, statistics, etc.) to make rational decisions.

If her mother is as pro-abstinence as they claim, Ms. Palin almost certainly wasn't taught to make rational, informed decisions about her sexuality. And she probably couldn't turn to her mother for advice, either.
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jcdill
Subject:Like mother/father, like daughter
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Time:2008-09-02 10:07 pm (UTC)
Oh, one more thing - we really don't need anymore Babs & Jenna Bush style DUI incidents. I'm ready for another Chelsea Clinton type of "president's daughter", an A Student, Stanford Student, successful and poised young lady, thankyouverymuch.
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schmengie
Subject:Re: Like mother/father, like daughter
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Time:2008-09-03 02:21 am (UTC)
that is some high horse you ride on. I say once more. kids who do stupid things know no party. it is beyond silly how you are trying to wrap politics into parenting
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davidjacob
Subject:Re: Like mother/father, like daughter
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Time:2008-09-03 05:13 am (UTC)
So it's ok if the father's a whore who sleeps with any piece of trailer trash that comes across his door with a wife who stands by him despite his long standing infidelity so she can further her career...as long as the daughter goes to Stanford. If you're going to play this morality card, I think you could do much better than to cite the Clinton family.

The magic candidate isn't out there. They're all going to have flaws, and what their kids do is pretty low on my list of priorities in choosing a candidate.
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