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Subject:The ad I wish No on 8 had done
Time:03:02 pm
Happy couple holding hands, she has dark skin, he has light skin. As they walk into a government building, they stop and face each other, looking happily into each others' eyes.

Woman: I can't believe that in just a few days, we'll be married!

Man: And live happily ever after. I've been dreaming of this since the day I met you.

They smile and walk into the building. Cut to them passing a piece of paper through a window to a government official. Over the window is a sign that says "MARRIAGE LICENSES". The official looks at the paper and hands it back.

Official: I'm sorry, but you can't get married.

Woman: What?

Man: Why not?

Official: (Looks at man.) It says on your application that you are caucasian. (Looks at woman.) And you are negro.

Man: Yes? So?

Official: Because you're of different races, you can't get married. That's the law.

Ominous voiceover: It was only 60 years ago that this was true. If we start taking away peoples' rights, where will it stop? Vote no on discrimination. Vote no on 8.


Edit: Oh, look, Wil Wheaton had the same thought.
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prock
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Time:2008-11-03 11:03 pm (UTC)
Hmm, I like it. I would make one small change though.

I'd make them both of the same sex.
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whipartist
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Time:2008-11-03 11:05 pm (UTC)
No way. That undermines the "they're coming for you next" threat.
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prock
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Time:2008-11-03 11:10 pm (UTC)
In what way? The reason they are being denied the right is race, not sex.
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whipartist
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Time:2008-11-03 11:12 pm (UTC)
I don't think the average AA would identify with a same-sex couple at the same emotional level as they would with an opposite-sex couple. Plus, there would be a feeling of, "it's only the gays, not me."
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prock
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Time:2008-11-03 11:17 pm (UTC)
Plus, there would be a feeling of, "it's only the gays, not me."

If you're specifically targeting african american's then I think this sentiment would be just as true with your version, if not more true.

The benefit of framing it with mixed race/same sex is that you can simultaneously draw in people who are against gay marriage. The basic plot direction, that these two won't be allowed to get married, is one that resonates with them.

If you just play it as a man and a woman who can't get married, I think most of them will just ignore it from the get go.
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whipartist
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Time:2008-11-03 11:22 pm (UTC)
And I'm seeing it as turning the right wing's fearmongering into an asset for the left. "If they take away gay marriage right now, they might come for you next."

My language may not be optimal.
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prock
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Time:2008-11-03 11:30 pm (UTC)
And I'm seeing it as turning the right wing's fearmongering into an asset for the left

I certainly agree. I don't see how my suggestion changes that at all. Regardless, it's a minor point. There certainly should have been more advertising like you suggest.
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wild_irises
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Time:2008-11-04 01:03 am (UTC)
Let me take a shot at elaborating whipartist's position, which I agree with.

If they are the same sex, then the ad is about gay marriage, which is the contentious issue. If they are (or appear to be) one man and one woman, then the ad is about the state determining the criteria for who can get married. If you make the ad with a man and a woman, you make the point that the right Yes on 8 folks believe they are defending (the right for a man and a woman to get married) hasn't always been around and can be taken away at any time. If you make it with two men or two women, the take-away message is "they can't get married" and some people will add "and that's a good thing." Does that help?
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prock
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Time:2008-11-04 01:19 am (UTC)
Does that help?

Not really. Maybe I just think that the power of irony is better able to create cognitive dissonance than what is suggested. Part of the problem with man/woman who are black/white is that a good number of the "Yes on 8" crowd on both sides of the race line believe in marriage segregation.

It really comes down to who you are trying to influence. I think those who might be swayed are exactly the kind of people who might recognize the irony if what they thought was a "Yes on 8" ad morphs into a "Yes on marriage segregation ad.

Of course, I've also been accused of thinking too much.
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catness
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Time:2008-11-03 11:13 pm (UTC)
What whipartist said. Because THIS USED TO BE TRUE for interracial couples, and now it's not. Do we ban marriage for gays now and then strip these rights from heterosexual interracial couples next?
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prock
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Time:2008-11-03 11:19 pm (UTC)
That's an equally interesting tack, but different from the one whiparist suggested.

"will it be illegal next year"

might be more convincing than

"60 years ago it was illegal"
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whitebird
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Time:2008-11-04 06:01 am (UTC)
Think of it more as an example of:

"This is how heterosexual couples were discriminated against 60 years ago. We fixed that, and the world didn't blow up. Let's not wait another 80 years to fix this current discrimination. The world will continue not blowing up."
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wild_irises
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Time:2008-11-04 01:01 am (UTC)
It wasn't quite as direct (and I agree with you that I wish it had been), but one of the main No on 8 ads does push this point.
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jpmassar
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Time:2008-11-04 03:03 am (UTC)
Yes, excellent ad idea.

Seems so obvious, it's hard to believe they didn't do it.
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lezleee_lew
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Time:2008-11-04 09:32 pm (UTC)
Hi Patti!
That is a great idea. Too bad they didn't do it!

I personally enjoyed the younger, hipper ad recently released by the No on 8 campagin. I hope it makes a difference.

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