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Subject:Monday morning grammar
Time:10:37 am
Inspired by an email exchange at work:

Which of these is correct?

"Please let Bob and I know..."
8(11.0%)
"Please let Bob and me know..."
65(89.0%)
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janinedog
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Time:2010-01-18 06:40 pm (UTC)
The way I always figure these out is I remove the other person (Bob, in this case), and see which one sounds right after that. "Please let me know" is right, while "Please let I know" isn't.

Or, to be more technical, Bob and I are the objects of the sentence, so it's always "me" in that case. It's "I" when it's the subject. :)
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rmd
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Time:2010-01-18 06:41 pm (UTC)
what she said.
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andrewhime
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Time:2010-01-18 07:03 pm (UTC)
3rded.
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yayhappens
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Time:2010-01-19 05:52 am (UTC)
same
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jpmassar
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Time:2010-01-18 06:47 pm (UTC)
But insofar as grammar is what the speakers of a language make it, the former is fine.

It's not like there is a Supreme Court to decide on the laws of English grammar (unlike for French, IIUC).
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dmorr
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Time:2010-01-18 07:56 pm (UTC)
This is actually a tricky case -- 25 years ago the "and I" construction was unequivocally wrong. But things have changed and that usage has become much more common. I
not quite willing to say it's fine just yet, but it probably will be in a decade or two
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slfisher
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Time:2010-01-19 03:44 pm (UTC)
It may be common, but it's wrong.

The way I do it is replace it with 'us' and 'we' and see which is correct.
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dmorr
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Time:2010-01-19 03:54 pm (UTC)
Wrong is kind of tricky. If everyone does it, it stops being wrong and starts being normal, since grammar is just what everyone agrees it is.

So wrong? Yeah, right now, I agree. But it won't be wrong for much longer.
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prock
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Time:2010-01-18 08:00 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I was looking for the third option:

"language is a living thing"
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essaying
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Time:2010-01-18 08:08 pm (UTC)
I'd amend your word "correct" to something like "indicative of the speaker's status as a member of the professional/ruling class in the U.S." But, yeah.
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brec
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Time:2010-01-18 08:19 pm (UTC)
I wonder how the grammar texts are going to handle the reversal of nominative and objective when pronouns are joined by a conjunction.

Edited at 2010-01-18 08:20 pm (UTC)
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pfrimshot
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Time:2010-01-18 08:23 pm (UTC)
I can safely say I've never wondered that.
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sabyl
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Time:2010-01-18 08:22 pm (UTC)
Pretty sure Bob and me is grammatically correct, but in speaking I would probably blurt out Bob and I without realizing my boo-boo.
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adbploink
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Time:2010-01-18 08:23 pm (UTC)
I pick the one that looks fine to me. Or is that I?
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jellymillion
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Time:2010-01-18 09:37 pm (UTC)
According to my (old-school) brain, there should definitely be a "me" involved, but I keep thinking that it's "me and Bob". The more I look at it, though, the less confident I become. Me hates it when that happens.
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whipartist
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Time:2010-01-18 11:14 pm (UTC)
Both "me and Bob" and "Bob and me" are correct. There's some notion that putting yourself at the end is more polite, but it's not a rule of grammar.
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redhawke
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Time:2010-01-18 10:16 pm (UTC)
What jellymillion said; I was taught that "me" always comes first, while "I" always comes last...think "me, myself, and I."
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hgfalling
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Time:2010-01-18 11:11 pm (UTC)
Me is the objective case. So if the I/me refers to an object (a direct object, indirect object, or object of a preposition), then it's "me."

I is the subjective case. So if I/me refers to a subject (the subject of a clause or a predicate nominative), then it's "I."

Language isn't what speakers make it! It was frozen in time when I learned the rules of grammar, and that's that.
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rahaeli
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Time:2010-01-19 04:59 am (UTC)
"Bob and I" in that sentence is a case of hypercorrection: where people just learn that they always say 'and I' in that situation, and then do it wrong when they miss a subtlety ...
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