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Subject:Amusing comment by a coworker
Time:12:30 am
I was sitting around the office this evening drinking wine with a few coworkers. A topical, politically-charged subject came up, and one of my coworkers said a few things that were emotional and not entirely fact-based.

I responded by calmly pointing out the factual errors in his initial assertion, countered with a logical yet extreme extension to his position, then asked him a question that was meant to illustrate one way that he was thinking irrationally.

He sat there confused for a few seconds, until another coworker spoke up. "It's hard to argue with Patti. She's too logical and reasonable."

Hrmm. I'm not sure I agree with her assessment, but it amused me to hear her say that.
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jcdill
Subject:What are the odds...
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Time:2010-08-26 07:43 am (UTC)
That you said at least one of the following phrases:

"It's not located at Ground Zero."

"It's not a mosque - it's a cultural center, the mosque portion is a very small portion of the entire project."

"Would you call the current business at that location the Ground Zero Burlington Coat Factory?"

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whipartist
Subject:Re: What are the odds...
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Time:2010-08-26 08:17 am (UTC)
Approximately 1.0.

And the question was, "How far is far enough away? Five blocks? Ten? A mile? Rather than giving me a specific answer, tell me how you'd calculate the minimum distance."

He thought about it for a moment and declared it an unanswerable question and an excellent point.
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whipartist
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Time:2010-08-26 09:38 am (UTC)
I expected you to finish the sentence with "a restraining order."
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songmonk
Subject:Re: What are the odds...
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Time:2010-08-26 06:19 pm (UTC)
How about this answer: "I don't know how far is far enough, and I don't know how to calculate it, but I know it when I see it." :-)
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luckylefty
Subject:Re: What are the odds...
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Time:2010-08-27 07:28 pm (UTC)
While I agree with your conclusion, I don't think this is a very good argument.

It can be applied equally well to any matter of public policy that has a quantitative aspect. I think the law that says it's illegal to sell alcohol to five-year-olds is a good law. But if you ask me "How old is old enough? 18? 20? 22? Rather than giving me a specific answer, tell me how you'd calculate the exact age", I don't really have a good answer, certainly not one that involves a calculation. I think there should be a minimum age, somewhere between 10 and 30. And the exact choice of age is to some extent arbitrary. And whatever age is chosen, there will be people slightly younger than the age who it would be better to allow buying alcohol, and people slightly older who it would be better to prohibit selling alcohol to. But that does't mean that I don't think that either the 18 I grew up with or today's 21 isn't better than either prohibition, or no restriction on selling liquor to children.

Similarly, if I thought there was a good argument for prohibiting building a mosque across the street from Ground Zero (which I don't), then I'd think there would be some distance where it was clearly something that should be prohibited, then a gray area, the an area where it was clearly OK, and the fact that I couldn't specify a calculation would have no real bearing on the strength of my argument (whatever it is) for prohibiting mosques at Ground Zero.
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rightkindofme
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Time:2010-08-26 03:22 pm (UTC)
I really don't understand the unreasonable reactions people have on this issue. Totally baffles me.


But I feel the same way about arguing with Noah. Our 'discussions' often end with me mock-yelling at him, "There is to be no reality in this relationship!!" I'm not willing to tell him that he wins, but I'll signal that the conversation can end. ;)
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songmonk
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Time:2010-08-26 06:20 pm (UTC)
Funny. From my perspective, it's hard to argue with people who *aren't* logical and reasonable.

Then again, that's probably a different interpretation of "hard".
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hgfalling
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Time:2010-08-26 07:26 pm (UTC)
In the land of blind men...
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