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Subject:A sense of history
Time:12:49 pm
Last night I had dinner with a couple of my coworkers, both of whom are gay men in their late 20s. We were talking about the history of San Francisco's South of Market neighborhood, and the gay bars and bath houses that were there.

In 1981, a huge fire broke out on Folsom Street. It destroyed 25 buildings, partially fed by broken gas lines. 120 people were left homeless. Radical sex photographer Mark I Chester had a lot of his work stolen or vandalized. A bit about it is here, though it's not entirely safe for work. Mark wound up suing the city over the work that they'd destroyed.

I was describing this to my coworkers, and one of them gave me a puzzled work. "Why would the city do that?"

The question threw me for a loop, and then it made me feel old. It hadn't occurred to me until now that there was such a huge generation gap between us-- they hadn't lived through the AIDS crisis, Anita Bryant was a quaint historical footnote for them, and they'd never really known discrimination based on their sexual orientation. "If you were gay in the 70s, the police weren't there to protect you." A look of dawning awareness told me that I'd hit my mark, but I think it was at an intellectual level rather than an emotional one.

From there we went to see the new Tales of the City musical. (Review: mixed bag, has potential, needs work.) Afterward, I found myself explaining a few of the cultural references.

The world is definitely a better place now, but it makes me sad that so much recent history is being forgotten.
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rmd
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Time:2011-06-16 09:32 pm (UTC)
I've run into that kind of generation gap with younger folks. And, yeah, things are better but history is forgotten.
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jpmassar
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Time:2011-06-16 09:45 pm (UTC)
Hmmm.

they'd never really known discrimination based on their sexual orientation

Were they deep into Linux manuals when Prop 8 passed?
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whipartist
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Time:2011-06-16 10:25 pm (UTC)
Fair 'nuff. That was my assessment of the situation, not theirs.

Still, and I may take some heat for saying this, Prop 8 and the right to marry in general is small potatoes compared to the situation 20 or 30 or 50 years ago. People are (mostly) no longer being deprived of their right to assemble because they fear for their lives or livelihoods. The guys I'm talking about have never had to closet themselves in order to get a job. They don't routinely get harassed by the authorities just for being queer.

And one of the two that I was talking to is legally married in California.
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dd_b
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Time:2011-06-16 10:12 pm (UTC)
It scares me that such recent history is being forgotten, because those battles are FAR from over. Exhibit 1 would be Proposition 8; surely they've heard of that?
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whipartist
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Time:2011-06-16 10:25 pm (UTC)
See my response to JP. Not known discrimination was my assessment, not theirs.
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violet_tigress1
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Time:2011-06-16 10:18 pm (UTC)
It makes me sad, too.
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omahas
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Time:2011-06-17 01:09 am (UTC)
The issues of Prop 8, etc, are viewed by most this country as actions by radical groups, not actions of the norm. And as much as it's bad that history is being forgotten, because those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it, it also means that they do feel that these actions are not the norm. That being gay doesn't mean that you have to pretend on a daily basis everywhere that you are something other than what you are (even those these issue are in some locations, such as the midwest, still very much a problem)

I think that we should celebrate the progress, while at the same time putting new energy into making certain that the history is not forgotten. I for one do not wish to see it repeated.
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adbbingo
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Time:2011-06-17 01:57 pm (UTC)
Ironically enough Patti, I read your post, and then was surfing through the TV channels and PBS was showing a documentary on the Stonewall Riots in New York back in the 60's. Since I'm not a part of it, I knew almost nothing about the history of repression in the LGBT community, but watching this documentary just made my stomach turn.

Have your young friends grab that off of Netflix or something - truly sickening what things must have been like back in the '60's and earlier.


Don 'ADBBIngo' Rieck
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