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Subject:Triple draw hand
Time:12:58 pm
I don't usually post hands, but this one has me thinking. It's a 5-10 TD 2-7 game on Stars, and you've only been in the game for about ten minutes. I'm going to give the hand from two different perspectives.



Perspective A: You open raise with a pat 8-7 from mid position. (I believe it was an 87543.) The small blind makes it three bets, and you cap. The small blind draws one, and you rap pat. The small blind bets into you, you raise, and the small blind three bets.

What strategy do you adopt here, and why?


Perspective B: There's an open raise in mid-position. You three-bet from the small blind with 2357, and mid-position caps. You draw one and catch a 6, for 23567, or #3. You bet, mid-position raises. You three-bet, and mid-position caps.

What strategy do you adopt here, and why?


Triple draw isn't my best game, but it's one of the things that I play sort of recreationally when I have a little bit of time to kill.
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hgfalling
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Time:2009-08-24 08:19 pm (UTC)
From perspective A, I want to know about my 7draw. Is it 87653? or 87432? With the former, I'm calling and flat calling down unless he draws again. I'm not really crazy about the raise either. With a hand like that, you are going to make any hand you beat draw against you, and just lose more money to the hands that beat you.

With the latter, I might break since there are two more draws and my draw is so good. If he shows me a 9 at the showdown, good for him. I'm only breaking a few hands here and sticking around with enough eights and enough sevens that he can't really exploit this by jamming it up with worse hands.

From perspective B, I'm going to bet after it goes pat-pat. If I get raised, I'm calling down, otherwise I'll bet the river also. This way 2-3 bets go in whatever happens on the big streets.
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whipartist
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Time:2009-08-24 08:22 pm (UTC)
I believe it was an 87543.
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hgfalling
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Time:2009-08-24 08:27 pm (UTC)
That's a first category for sure, so I'd just call down. I probably wouldn't have raised the first time either; if he had bet with a 9 every pat he stands thinking he is best is quite valuable. Plus you're going to get reraised often when you are beaten, and you're not going to induce any hand better than yours to break.

With an 8-7 I think it's wrong to grow the pot a lot when you are sometimes ahead and sometimes behind. You will get extra action from hands that beat you and only a little value from hands that are drawing.
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timprov
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Time:2009-08-24 09:13 pm (UTC)
Yep, calling down from the donkbet is by far he best line with this hand against an unknown opponent.

Perspective B, presumably this is the same hand, meaning MP was pat. I check-raise third and call down from there.
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dmorr
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Time:2009-08-24 11:49 pm (UTC)
Well my redraw is pretty bad, so I'm going to call, pat, and call. But I don't really like it. I really don't like the last raise, because I don't really want to convince a worse 8 or a smooth 9 to draw, and I also don't want to put more money in against a better made hand.

If I had like 87432 I'd break.

Now I go read the other comments.
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sabyl
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Time:2009-09-02 08:58 am (UTC)
I agree with everything Jerrod has said

After the 1 I don't like the bet out with the pat hand after drawing one as A should rarely if ever check there. But I also don't like the raise after being bet into for all the reasons Jerrod mentioned. You don't want a worse pat hand to have any reason to break and a better pat hand will never fold or break and will likely make it more expensive for you.
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